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Asked by duncanb7
at 2024-08-06 12:19:14
Point:500 Replies:32 POST_ID:828704USER_ID:11059
Topic:
MySQL Server;Oracle Database;PHP Scripting Language
I studied SQL before , and the code is easy I think or that I might not experience tough code.
The question is as follows.
1- If I am really familar with php or c coding, do I still need to use mysql if my number of
users are just 100,1000,10000, for example only ? Why I ask this question becoz
sometimes, there is a lot language or website Sql monitor service, login and password to be kept in our memory. If for non-programmer, I think mysql is easy for them, If you are good programmer, I think Mysql is no need for you, Right ?
2- If question one is yes, not neccessary to use mysql if you are good programmer with
just handling 10000 users,
Why Oracle is so big on database technology, what is behind ? Is it becoz they can handle
100000000000000000000000000 or infinte data entry database for users with using its
system ? Or they are doing well on security on database not just huge database entry
3- I want to give up to use Mysql since I'm familar with php and users is just 10000 only. Do you think that is saving time for me and save money to pay Mysql monitor service ?
Since I strongly believe php code can cover Mysql coding
Please advise
Duncan
The question is as follows.
1- If I am really familar with php or c coding, do I still need to use mysql if my number of
users are just 100,1000,10000, for example only ? Why I ask this question becoz
sometimes, there is a lot language or website Sql monitor service, login and password to be kept in our memory. If for non-programmer, I think mysql is easy for them, If you are good programmer, I think Mysql is no need for you, Right ?
2- If question one is yes, not neccessary to use mysql if you are good programmer with
just handling 10000 users,
Why Oracle is so big on database technology, what is behind ? Is it becoz they can handle
100000000000000000000000000 or infinte data entry database for users with using its
system ? Or they are doing well on security on database not just huge database entry
3- I want to give up to use Mysql since I'm familar with php and users is just 10000 only. Do you think that is saving time for me and save money to pay Mysql monitor service ?
Since I strongly believe php code can cover Mysql coding
Please advise
Duncan
Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 15:11:21
>>no magic except on window friendly, if know linux command, it will output the same result but in text format.
So, we are back at free and your comment "testing purpose only for cutting cost" is not accurate. Free versus your development time to write database code.
So, we are back at free and your comment "testing purpose only for cutting cost" is not accurate. Free versus your development time to write database code.
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 14:57:07
https://www.webyog.com/
the monitor service is a pay service.
And I tried his demo, no magic except on window friendly, if
know linux command, it will output the same result but in text format.
I am willing to pay but too many package to need to pay that is not important
if I can pay for all in one page.
Now I have 20 parties, 20 login and 20 passwords without including my bank,
electricty, tax, ISP and 20 computer language, 20 friends, 20 ......
20 social forum like facebook, twistter, ....
So business idea will be soon for customers for one account
I imagine you don't need to remember anything, one year later, you'll receive something
like
I write down all login and password in one paper or in one compute file. but
I forgot where is the paper and file.
Idea is coming like e-bay, google,.....facebook,
Duncan
the monitor service is a pay service.
And I tried his demo, no magic except on window friendly, if
know linux command, it will output the same result but in text format.
I am willing to pay but too many package to need to pay that is not important
if I can pay for all in one page.
Now I have 20 parties, 20 login and 20 passwords without including my bank,
electricty, tax, ISP and 20 computer language, 20 friends, 20 ......
20 social forum like facebook, twistter, ....
So business idea will be soon for customers for one account
I imagine you don't need to remember anything, one year later, you'll receive something
like
Sir, My company will take care for you with my system within just one login and password
to handle your 10,000 connected company serivce.
Even you moved to new place, we will handle for you with just $20 /per month
to handle your 10,000 connected company serivce.
Even you moved to new place, we will handle for you with just $20 /per month
I write down all login and password in one paper or in one compute file. but
I forgot where is the paper and file.
Idea is coming like e-bay, google,.....facebook,
Duncan
Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 14:28:43
>> testing purpose only for cutting cost
What cost? The only cost you mentioned is a monitoring service. You never stated what this service does that you cannot code yourself?
What cost? The only cost you mentioned is a monitoring service. You never stated what this service does that you cannot code yourself?
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 13:52:25
Thanks for all of you reply,
I will try to replace Mysql by php for testing purpose only for cutting cost
I will try to replace Mysql by php for testing purpose only for cutting cost
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 13:50:47
before window-9 version , I need to sleep first and reply you window 7 is better than window 9 new version even it is not released yet, so I understood why people are still loving
mysql
Since there is no general answer, I would like to make the score even for sharing
mysql
Since there is no general answer, I would like to make the score even for sharing
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Expert: markgeer replied at 2024-08-06 13:49:25
27 points EXCELLENT
Most of the time, in this world you get what you pay for. If you don't want to pay the price for a product like Oracle and you want to use a "free" database tool instead, you can do that. You just won't get the features that Oracle includes.
Or, if you prefer to take the time to build your own record-keeping system using php or c and simple *.csv files, you can do that. But, you may find this takes you a long time, and you may encounter problems that databases already have built-in features to handle (thing like: multiple users, record locking, data concurrency, security, etc.).
Just like if you want to travel from Paris to Singapore, you don't have to buy a plane ticket - you could walk. It is the same with computer databases. You can buy one that includes lots of features and allows you to quickly set up an application, or you may choose to build you own. No one is forcing you to buy an Oracle system.
Or, if you prefer to take the time to build your own record-keeping system using php or c and simple *.csv files, you can do that. But, you may find this takes you a long time, and you may encounter problems that databases already have built-in features to handle (thing like: multiple users, record locking, data concurrency, security, etc.).
Just like if you want to travel from Paris to Singapore, you don't have to buy a plane ticket - you could walk. It is the same with computer databases. You can buy one that includes lots of features and allows you to quickly set up an application, or you may choose to build you own. No one is forcing you to buy an Oracle system.
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Expert: Alexander Eßer [Alex140181] replied at 2024-08-06 13:44:32
27 points EXCELLENT
other lanaguages can replace him easily if spenting time to develop
I'm really looking forward to getting your version of Windows 9 ;-)
There is NO "general" answer here!
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 13:39:31
You should not also generalize Oracle to MySQL. MySQL is just one of MANY products Oracle owns.
Sound like mysql is not important to Oracle, If yes, Mysql is not special or magic product, other lanaguages can replace him easily if spenting time to develope or just half-year on php coding
If all yes, my three questions could be finalized soon
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Expert: Alexander Eßer [Alex140181] replied at 2024-08-06 13:34:19
27 points EXCELLENT
There is no answer here.
I totally agree with slightwv.
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Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 13:26:09
27 points EXCELLENT
>>Is it Oracle so big just because all business companies get used to use it ?
Or do they use it because Oracle is so big?
There is no answer here.
You should not also generalize Oracle to MySQL. MySQL is just one of MANY products Oracle owns.
Or do they use it because Oracle is so big?
There is no answer here.
You should not also generalize Oracle to MySQL. MySQL is just one of MANY products Oracle owns.
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 13:20:31
honestly, if my boss agree me what I say, and let me to use php to replace sql, I will
reply him why don't use Mysql from Oracle, it is funny reply from me, becoz I also need to sleep
Is it Oracle so big just because all business companies get used to use it ?
change will be big problem for internal company employees or employers
That is not becoz of any language advantage for Oracle's makert dominate
reply him why don't use Mysql from Oracle, it is funny reply from me, becoz I also need to sleep
Is it Oracle so big just because all business companies get used to use it ?
change will be big problem for internal company employees or employers
That is not becoz of any language advantage for Oracle's makert dominate
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Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 13:19:25
28 points EXCELLENT
I suppose I should also point out that Oracle Express is free for production use. It just has size, memory and CPU limitations.
SQL Server also has a free version.
SQL Server also has a free version.
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Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 13:14:40
28 points EXCELLENT
>>Oracle is so big to dominate
All of the above. With a little help from the previously mentioned marketing and sales people.
Biggest advantage: Runs on all platforms and is enterprise level.
All of the above. With a little help from the previously mentioned marketing and sales people.
Biggest advantage: Runs on all platforms and is enterprise level.
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 13:10:11
So next thing, why Oracle is so big to dominate all Sql database market becoz
they handle Infinite data entry or database using Sql or doing well on databse security
that other languages can not handle it, even it is possible for other language but need a
time to develpe but the market is already on his hand.
they handle Infinite data entry or database using Sql or doing well on databse security
that other languages can not handle it, even it is possible for other language but need a
time to develpe but the market is already on his hand.
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Expert: Alexander Eßer [Alex140181] replied at 2024-08-06 13:08:50
28 points EXCELLENT
You could do this manually, I suppose even with Assembler, BUT do you really want to build your car from scratch by your own or "just" buy that one that fits your needs?!
There is a reason why software like RDBMS exists....
There is a reason why software like RDBMS exists....
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Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 13:06:24
28 points EXCELLENT
>>Could we say php can NOT do sql 's RDBM and column locking ?
Databases are written in code so you can write code to do it... so, I guess it is 'possible' to do with php.
Databases are written in code so you can write code to do it... so, I guess it is 'possible' to do with php.
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 13:04:09
Could we say php can NOT do sql 's RDBM and column locking ?
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Expert: Alexander Eßer [Alex140181] replied at 2024-08-06 13:04:08
28 points EXCELLENT
There is the 'Relational' part of RDBMS.
Relational Database Management System
not just "flat" files scattered all over your disk(s) ;-)
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Expert: Ray Paseur replied at 2024-08-06 13:03:50
28 points EXCELLENT
I don't know how much you save by giving up cPanel. I don't know whether this is a good value trade off -- saving the money or having the tool. Should a carpenter sell his saw or hammer? I can't answer that in the abstract.
MySQL is free. I am sure there are both free and paid tools for working with MySQL.
MySQL is free. I am sure there are both free and paid tools for working with MySQL.
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Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 13:01:52
28 points EXCELLENT
Databases are soooo much more than just column locking.
There is the 'Relational' part of RDBMS.
There is also data integrity, constraints, indexes, etc... Way to much to go into here.
There is the 'Relational' part of RDBMS.
There is also data integrity, constraints, indexes, etc... Way to much to go into here.
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 12:57:06
thanks for your reply, now,
Summary to those key word,
Mysql's power on columne level locking, database in spreadsheet that Php not be easy to
replace him, Is it right ?
hope next reply for that
If I go to wrong road, I need to go back to Mysql that waste time for myself
if I would like to use php to replace mysql for just 10000 users
Summary to those key word,
Mysql's power on columne level locking, database in spreadsheet that Php not be easy to
replace him, Is it right ?
hope next reply for that
If I go to wrong road, I need to go back to Mysql that waste time for myself
if I would like to use php to replace mysql for just 10000 users
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Expert: Alexander Eßer [Alex140181] replied at 2024-08-06 12:54:56
28 points EXCELLENT
imho: CSV != DB and Spreadsheet != DB
Use it or leave it ;-)
.... or take Couch DB^^
Use it or leave it ;-)
.... or take Couch DB^^
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Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 12:54:22
28 points EXCELLENT
It sounds like you have already made up your mind to not use databases and are looking for us to confirm this. Sorry, I cannot.
It boils down to return on investment.
Can you 'buy' something cheaper than you can write and maintain it?
It's also hard to build in relationships to a flat file CSV layout.
As far as the monitoring service: Do you have to use it?
It boils down to return on investment.
Can you 'buy' something cheaper than you can write and maintain it?
It's also hard to build in relationships to a flat file CSV layout.
As far as the monitoring service: Do you have to use it?
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 12:52:12
if I can have csv file to store as database, why worry about it in spreadsheet
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 12:45:09
yes, right, Ray
Recently, just in these month, I gave up to use Cpanel becoz I already know how to install
all free software kid such as awstate, phpadmin, something like that etc..., why I need to pay for Cpanel. I am not SAYING Cpanel is not good tools , Cpanel is good tools for beginners who doesn't know about the programming language or not-interesting programming lauanges customers.
next cases, when go to free tool of mysql but mysql monitor service is another service and that
also need to pay...Just think you go to move every step on internet, need to pay
if you don't know computer system or language
Duncan
Recently, just in these month, I gave up to use Cpanel becoz I already know how to install
all free software kid such as awstate, phpadmin, something like that etc..., why I need to pay for Cpanel. I am not SAYING Cpanel is not good tools , Cpanel is good tools for beginners who doesn't know about the programming language or not-interesting programming lauanges customers.
next cases, when go to free tool of mysql but mysql monitor service is another service and that
also need to pay...Just think you go to move every step on internet, need to pay
if you don't know computer system or language
Duncan
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Expert: MikeOM_DBA replied at 2024-08-06 12:43:26
28 points EXCELLENT
For just 10000 users why bother programming at all?
You can keep track on index cards, or if you want to use computer enter the data in a spreadsheet.
:p
You can keep track on index cards, or if you want to use computer enter the data in a spreadsheet.
:p
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Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 12:38:25
28 points EXCELLENT
>>What is special of Mysql from php coding ?
Don't know. I'm not a PHP coder.
Can PHP handle record/column level locking, read consistency, transactions?
If PHP can do everything then I doubt smaller database products would have ever been created...
Use the right tool for the job.
Don't know. I'm not a PHP coder.
Can PHP handle record/column level locking, read consistency, transactions?
If PHP can do everything then I doubt smaller database products would have ever been created...
Use the right tool for the job.
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Expert: Ray Paseur replied at 2024-08-06 12:36:23
28 points EXCELLENT
Use the data base. You obtain no advantage by avoiding it. Choose any PHP extension except MySQL.
Oracle is successful because they have a great many salesmen who are highly paid to tell everyone that Oracle is a good product.
None of this has anything to do with being a "good" programmer. It's about choosing the tools that give you the most advantage. But the question sounds kind of like, "If I am a good carpenter, I do not need to use power tools?"
Oracle is successful because they have a great many salesmen who are highly paid to tell everyone that Oracle is a good product.
None of this has anything to do with being a "good" programmer. It's about choosing the tools that give you the most advantage. But the question sounds kind of like, "If I am a good carpenter, I do not need to use power tools?"
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 12:33:10
Whether php script can handle all ? since Mysql is also based on cobol language
What is special of Mysql from php coding ?
What is special of Mysql from php coding ?
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Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 12:30:32
28 points EXCELLENT
How will the data be used by the users?
Will you have transactions where any user can insert/update/delete any row?
Will you have transactions where any user can insert/update/delete any row?
Author: duncanb7 replied at 2024-08-06 12:28:44
becoz I can make my database saving in csv file format with php coding
and stored into my disk.
I can convert csv file format to mysql format once I need to use mysql.
but at least I don't need to be always remeber mysql syntax or method for just
10000 users
and stored into my disk.
I can convert csv file format to mysql format once I need to use mysql.
but at least I don't need to be always remeber mysql syntax or method for just
10000 users
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Expert: slightwv replied at 2024-08-06 12:24:50
28 points EXCELLENT
If you have data, what are your options if not a database?
XML files on disk, flat files on disk?
If you go with files on disk, you run into issues with record locking, transactions, etc...
Databases are for data. Why not use them?
XML files on disk, flat files on disk?
If you go with files on disk, you run into issues with record locking, transactions, etc...
Databases are for data. Why not use them?